Transcription of Ep 167 - video version (note: this is AI generated and has not been proof edited)

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Jayme Moye
I mean, I think bushwalking is popular in all of Australia, but especially Tasmania, because more than 50% of that island is covered in protected land, whether it's a national park or protected zone. And so Tasmanians really like to take these areas in by foot and again it's culture by its active town culture and they.

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John Simmerman
Absolutely.

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Jayme Moye
So in Tasmania, they go on bushwalk. Well how can we use that to help the environment out? Because this is also a culture that's being plagued with bushfires. So yeah, yeah.

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John Simmerman
Hey everyone, welcome to the Active Towns Channel. I'm John Simmerman. And that is Jayme Moyer. Jayme lives up in Nelson, British Columbia. She's a friend of mine. I've known her for quite a few years and she is a journalist, She's an adventure journalist. She's an active culture journalist, and I am absolutely delighted to share this conversation with you.

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John Simmerman
So let's get right to it. Jayme Moye. Jayme, it's so wonderful to have you on the Active Towns podcast. Welcome.

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Jayme Moye
Thank you. It's great to be here.

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John Simmerman
So, Jayme, you and I know each other from our time in Boulder. We both lived there for a little bit and and a friend actually suggested that I reach out to you because you are a writer, you're a journalist. So just take a moment to tell the audience a little bit about yourself.

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Jayme Moye
Sure thing. So that flash you just saw was this jumping into my lap? Costar That's my dog. Yes, I'm a journalist. I specialize in mountain sports and culture, active travel, a little bit of adventure here and there. My primary medium is writing these days, but I've also done a little bit of work in podcast journalism as well and hoped to be doing some more work in the future.

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Jayme Moye
In storytelling, through film.

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John Simmerman
Are very cool, very cool. And in fact, the last time we saw each other was in Boulder a few years ago at the what was it, the Adventure Film Festival or something like that? What was that the name of that?

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Jayme Moye
Yeah, there must have been a couple of years ago, like at least for just.

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John Simmerman
Yeah.

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Jayme Moye
Everything before the pandemic is a bit of a blur.

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John Simmerman
Exactly. So. Well, tell us a little bit about where where are you actually located?

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Jayme Moye
So I am just about 45 minutes across Washington State's northern border in a small mountain town in Canada in British Columbia called Nelson.

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John Simmerman
Oh, okay, cool. I'm going to pull that right here. Oh, yeah. There, there we are.

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Jayme Moye
There we are. Yeah, we're so we're on the the what's called the last arm of Kootenay Lake. So you're seeing that Cooney Lake?

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John Simmerman
Yep.

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Jayme Moye
Yep. And we are nestled in the Selkirk mountains, which is a sub range of the Columbia Mountains and tastic.

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John Simmerman
Yeah. And I see the state line is down here. The country line. Excuse me. The the border, the and the, quote unquote, border. Oh, my gosh. How did you end up there? What a wild and wonderful place.

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Jayme Moye
Yes, wild and wonderful is a great word for it. So I was in Boulder, Colorado, for 18 years and I met there in Boulder, a Canadian man. I got him to fall in love with me.

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John Simmerman
It sounds like that was like a a quest or a challenge.

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Jayme Moye
You know, I didn't know it at the time because that was way before Donald Trump got elected. But kind of once that happened, I was like, whoa, this this is my ticket north. And I didn't even know. So thank goodness I laid that groundwork way ahead of time. Now, I joke about that. I we did move right after Trump took office in 2017, but it really was just part of a larger life plan.

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Jayme Moye
I mean, he was pretty clear about not wanting to retire in the US, wanting to be in Canada, where we had better access to health care and some different government supports that are available in Canada that aren't in the U.S. And also I think we are both craving a change from Boulder. We've both been for almost 20 years and we were ready for just something a little bit smaller, a little bit more low key.

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Jayme Moye
And so it just the time was right for a moved to Canada and we wanted to do it sooner rather than later. We didn't want to wait until retirement to do it. We wanted to go and establish ourselves in a community, build a support of friendships before we were in retirement age. So yeah, at that time I was in and.

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John Simmerman
Then here's a nice photo of the of the group here.

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Jayme Moye
Yes, that is my husband John French lot and that is our daughter Sophie.

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John Simmerman
Fantastic. And an hour. An hour for baby two.

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Jayme Moye
And Fozzie Bear.

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John Simmerman
Yeah, the Fozzie Bear. So we're all together. We've got the whole family kind of gathered around here. What's going on here?

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Jayme Moye
That is my Canadian family. Yeah. So then your friends lost parents. They're originally from Quebec, and they live in British Columbia now, too, also. And Nelson. And we are celebrating in that photo. Two days ago, I took my citizenship oath, which is the last official step in becoming a Canadian citizen. Yeah.

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John Simmerman
And I think we even have. Yeah, Here, here, here you are. You're you're actually going through the motions. Here are not the motions. You're actually going through the process. And this is funny, too, because it's you can actually hear in the background the everybody, you know, the person who's prompting the the oath and then everybody else is in it.

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John Simmerman
So it sounds like it was sort of a group swearing in or the oath.

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Jayme Moye
Oh, yeah. There was 128 people on that call with me, all who are also becoming new Canadian citizens. And we span 39 different countries. And so normally these ceremonies are done in person, but COVID changed that. And also there's been such a backlog of processing since the pandemic that it's just been easier and more efficient to keep doing them online.

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Jayme Moye
And so that's what we're doing right now in Canada. And it was really fun to be able to see if you're familiar with the Zoom format, right, where you see that gallery mode, where you can see all of the 128 other people who are on the call with you and you get that glimpse into their lives that you wouldn't get if you were all in like a convention center together, as you can see.

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Jayme Moye
Like what part of their house they're sitting in or what background they've chosen to show. Like, a lot of people had American flags. They had their families surrounding them. So it was it's a different way of doing it, but it was still really nice.

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John Simmerman
Yeah. Well, speaking of backgrounds, I notice somebody in the background of this photo. Who's that?

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Jayme Moye
That is Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. He made a cameo appearance by video to welcome all 128 new Canadian citizens on the Zoom session that morning.

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John Simmerman
Yeah, and, well, congratulations. That is absolutely fantastic. So I'm assuming this is dual citizenship. You don't have to give up your U.S. citizenship, is that correct?

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Jayme Moye
Yes, exactly. So the U.S. has a relationship with Canada where it allows dual citizenship and that, you know, that varies by country to country. But Canada and U.S. definitely you can hold dual.

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John Simmerman
Okay. Okay. Okay. So we talked about Boulder. You'd been in Boulder for nearly two decades. Where were you at before that?

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Jayme Moye
I was born and I was born and raised in the U.S. Midwest in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio.

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John Simmerman
Ah, which one? Which suburb?

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Jayme Moye
It's called Mentor. Okay, but if you're from there, you say Menor. Got it. The word looks like it's spelled mentor, but it's menor. So we say, Yeah.

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John Simmerman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's I'm not familiar with that particular area, but I did there. I think there was a, there's a suburb or a section of, of that, that area that is famous for the kids walk or bike to school. They have no school busses. And so it's a really neat feature of that particular, you know, community, the whole school district.

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John Simmerman
They everybody walks and bikes to school. No school busses. No. And nobody. No, no parents carting the kids to school either.

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Jayme Moye
So I love that. That's amazing. Yeah. You know, like in retrospect, I think I kind of felt a little bit like that wasn't, you know, growing up that way. It wasn't a great fit for the type of town I ultimately wanted to be in, which I think is why I moved to Boulder, Colorado, right after finishing university, and my entire family is there.

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Jayme Moye
So it was really hard to leave. But I look at the place where I grew up as a I call it more of a passive sports town. People are really involved in sports, but more as spectators and more as like ball sports. And this is not to say are there not amazing pockets of outdoor activity and academics in the Cleveland area because there are.

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Jayme Moye
But, you know, 40 years ago it just wasn't what my family culture did. So it's been interesting because I moved to Boulder to get more of that active component in my life, that outdoor lifestyle, and then going back to Ohio, to the Cleveland area as an adult. Now that that's kind of in my blood, if you will, I now see it.

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Jayme Moye
Whereas I didn't see it as a kids, I'm like, wow, for the entire Cleveland area, surrounded in these metro parks, we call them, which is an absolute treasure to have these incredible green spaces with just miles and miles of trail running or in the winter, you know, it's cross-country skiing and there's definitely like an active road bike community.

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Jayme Moye
There's now Ironman triathlon. Like all the things I sort of thought I discovered in Boulder, they exist back home, too. Yeah. So it's funny how. Yeah, sometimes life just comes full circle and you're like, Yeah, Oh, yeah, they're two.

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John Simmerman
Exactly. Let's, let's pull up an image or two of, of the Nelson kind of area here. Gosh, a little bit idyllic or what.

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Jayme Moye
Is that My town this was actually taken this picture was taken a few days ago or maybe last week by a friend of mine, Adrian Wagner. He's Adrian Wagner Studios if you want to follow him on Instagram. But yeah, this is just a shot of our downtown. NELSON We're about 10,000 people. And you can see there we've got like some slight hills behind us.

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Jayme Moye
So those are the Selkirk mountains. We're covered in mostly cedar Hemlock forests. We're an inland temperate rainforest topic. I would love to talk to you about more about later if you want to talk about what that means. We get an average of 400 feet of snow per year.

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John Simmerman
Wow. That is amazing.

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Jayme Moye
Oh, I might have said that. Three 400 inches 40 feet.

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John Simmerman
Yeah, I think I knew what you meant. Yeah. Yeah. 400 feet would be the would be. You couldn't even ski on it. So. But 400 inches. Yes. That makes any sense. There you go. And who's that?

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Jayme Moye
Yeah, that's me. That's about the same time last year. So this is that's Weimer peek in the background, which is that's a really charismatic peak that backs our ski resort and I'm just up a little bit outside of the resort boundaries there. We have great backcountry that's accessible right from the resort. And so it's really a fun part of the culture here as well.

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Jayme Moye
Having that ski resort 20 minutes from town, but then also having that amazing backcountry access.

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John Simmerman
Yeah, yeah, fantastic. And I never knew that about you, that you were a bit of a powder. So when I lived in Colorado, that's what I live for in the wintertime.

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Jayme Moye
Oh, it's funny. I got into it later in life. I was not a confident or competent skier most of the time that I lived in Colorado. And it's funny because I think in hindsight it was like, well, if you're trying to pick up backcountry skiing in Colorado, like you're going to or at least me, you're going to birth in Pass, which is like you're at 10,000 feet, right?

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Jayme Moye
And then you're getting uphill where you start at 10,000 feet. And it's just like this. It is incredibly hard and just that sort of barrier to entry because it was so Cardillo Cardiovascular, really challenging I think was a big thing. Yeah. So being here to Nelson, we are just at lower elevation in general. And so you're accessing the backcountry at 2000 feet instead of 10,000 feet.

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Jayme Moye
And so I think Mike got me over that hurdle that I was really in Colorado.

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John Simmerman
Yeah, Yeah. Is this the whole family?

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Jayme Moye
That is Jean-Francois, our daughter Sophie. Our son Felix is not in the photo, but that is Sophie's best friend, Teagan. So super family friend. And this is all of us skiing together last year, right around the same time. Yeah. Yeah. And we're up in the backcountry, just just above whitewater ski resort.

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John Simmerman
Yeah, I. What a great asset to have, you know, for the community is that ability for families to be able to be able to recreate together, be able to have that active lifestyle that culture of activity. And you and I had talked a little bit about this before. In fact, I think we even talked about it back in Boulder, is is this concept of communities that are able to establish a culture of activity or culture.

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John Simmerman
Their activity just sort of permeates through all aspects of life, you know, and it's not uncommon for like I used to joke and say that, yeah, it'd be, you know, out on the trails in the middle of the day. They're in Boulder and then, you know, folks would come by on like their gravel bikes or whatever, and they're like having a team meeting, you know, this is like a break in their workday and they're doing work, but they're out recreating and getting physical activity and connecting with nature.

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John Simmerman
And these are all things that are so essential for healthy lifestyles and in wellbeing is for humans to be able to get physical activity in, but also more importantly, get physical activity in in nature.

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Jayme Moye
Yes, so much. And, you know, I was really fortunate in that with my job, I work from home and so does my husband. He's a software architect. John, When when we were making the move from Boulder, we had a lot of choice in terms of where do we want to relocate to? And we knew British Columbia, We know we're mountain people.

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Jayme Moye
And, you know, if you're a mountain person, that's that's the spot in Canada. So the question was which community within British Columbia? And so we could look exactly at those types of things, like what is the level of participation in mountain sports and culture with the general community and how you know, how is that does that play out in terms of the business, those that are here, the people that choose to live here?

00:16:16:22 - 00:16:40:15
Jayme Moye
So that's all part of it right now. What's the infrastructure that's there to support it? And those decisions are becoming kind of nuanced and you're like, okay, you love the snow, you know that. But there's questions like, well, are you looking for a Nordic ski community? Are you looking for a downhill community, a backcountry community? Do you like more of the rich, the glamorous ski resort lifestyle?

00:16:40:15 - 00:17:02:12
Jayme Moye
Do you like a more low key under the radar ski resort lifestyle? And, you know, let's face it, like most people can't choose that the level we were able to, but we were and such an incredible opportunity. And so. NELSON really is like very we could fine tune our requirements and find the place that best matched it. And that's what we got with NELSON Yeah.

00:17:02:14 - 00:17:07:07
Jayme Moye
And it's it enables an incredible quality of life. Yeah.

00:17:07:24 - 00:17:34:08
John Simmerman
Yeah. And speaking of, of culture, you you pointed out a video that, you know, kind of exemplifies just a little bit of the spirit of and fun. You know, there's a sense of fun and this kind of reminds me of some of the Colorado mountain towns that I'm familiar with, like Crested Butte and some of the other, you know, not the big ski resort kinds of places, but where there's this like sensation of fun.

00:17:34:08 - 00:17:55:19
John Simmerman
And so this kids, you know, being carted off to school. And he would much rather be try to get to school like this person is and we will pay the whole thing. But I'll I'll be sure to have the the link to this video in the show notes and in the video description below so that folks can watch it.

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John Simmerman
And it's got a really good soundtrack, too. So you'll want to definitely watch it and hear the the the entire video because mom and dad are in there. Just kind of remember they're almost like the penis. What, what, what, what and and the kids just like he's enthralled by this this, you know, adventure kind of really cool thing going on And I it is it's so much fun to watch And then they finally get to school and then there's all these other kids that are like being trapped in these metal boxes, getting to school, and they're having these same sort of visions of all these other like matching, you know, skiers, adventure skiers showing up

00:18:37:18 - 00:18:43:07
John Simmerman
to school at the same time. Hey, that's how I want to get to school.

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Jayme Moye
I love it that you called out this particular film because this film, imagination, it's by Sherpa cinema, actually, which is based also in British Columbia, in Whistler. This film dropped in 2017 that winter. So that was my first winter living in Nelson. It's filmed entirely in Nelson, like This Is My Town, and this film so perfectly captures the soul of this community that every time I watch it, I actually tear up.

00:19:15:13 - 00:19:35:12
Jayme Moye
I'm like, This is why I live here. Yeah. And we do have like, we have this really hilly kind of community like this. The town kind of comes up from the water, and so you've got that the steepness that you're seeing where this guy is just ripping along and yeah, you're descriptions great. I mean, this film was probably made mostly by people my age.

00:19:36:22 - 00:20:02:28
Jayme Moye
It was the original vision of JP Eau Claire, who's a really, really beloved, iconic ski industry person who unfortunately passed away in an avalanche a couple of years before this film was made in Chile in like 2015. But this was actually his idea because this is how kids in Nelson grow up. Like, yeah, you're going to school and like mom and dad are blabbing on and you're in the backseat of the car and notice like the vintage, like station wagon, right?

00:20:02:28 - 00:20:25:06
Jayme Moye
With like the wood paneling is like, that's how we grew up right in our generation. And JP Eau Claire was actually in our generation as well. I mean, he's maybe plus or minus five, minus five years off of me. But anyways, that's all he did, right? Like, and we just what if we were actually, you know, zooming over those hills that were passing those big mounds of snow in people's driveways.

00:20:25:06 - 00:20:45:06
Jayme Moye
And yeah, I love the finale at the end where they plop into the school and you realize like every single other kid being driven to school is having the same fantasy and all sudden you have like all the skiers are out there, you're like, you're seeing inside the imagination of all those kids. And yeah, I love it. And our school, you know, it's not untypical.

00:20:45:06 - 00:21:07:29
Jayme Moye
Is that a word? It's not atypical for when the ski resort opens, like there's a lot of kids there. So it's usually on a Friday and people pull their kids out of school for that. And then when you do get to the high school level or what we call secondary school in Canada, like we have an entire program, it's called Atlas for Kids or teenagers.

00:21:07:29 - 00:21:32:20
Jayme Moye
By that point, if you are interested in pursuing careers or, you know, other passions in the outdoors, whether that's through guiding or tourism, and they go and they learn, you know, they get their avalanche skills training certification and they learn how to rock climb, how to delay, all those things become part of their high school curriculum. So that's very much a core community value is our mountain sports and culture.

00:21:32:20 - 00:21:36:21
Jayme Moye
And I love how that film gets to the soul of that. Yeah.

00:21:37:22 - 00:21:58:08
John Simmerman
And speaking of culture, so in fact, that is the name of the magazine, the you know, you're out up there in the Kootenay there, and you've got the Kootenay Mountain Culture magazine and you're this is this is the the group that you're you're writing with, is that correct? One of them that's correct.

00:21:58:08 - 00:22:20:01
Jayme Moye
And the existence of this magazine, the fact that it's based out of Nelson, was one of the reasons we decided to live in Nelson. I mean, there's other great towns in the Kootenay region. I'm sure a lot of people have heard of Revelstoke, for example. But the fact that Kootenay Mountain Culture was here in Nelson and I was like, Oh, that's a huge plus.

00:22:21:10 - 00:22:48:00
Jayme Moye
So to be in the same community as a team behind this magazine, it is a world class magazine. It's published out of passion. This is not making anyone rich, but it's been around for 20 years and the stories and photography in it are just absolutely top notch. And I love working with and writing for this magazine. I think the cover you've got up on the screen, that's the winter issue that just dropped in November.

00:22:48:16 - 00:23:07:17
Jayme Moye
And part of what Kootenay Mountain Culture does is it's also it produces content for note tourism, for example. Be an example or yeah, you know, they're local like minded businesses who are doing things in the same. In the vein of Kootenay Mountain Culture. So yeah.

00:23:07:27 - 00:23:32:03
John Simmerman
Yeah. And you sent along a few images here and then this sort of kind of opens up the window into a little bit of the type of journalism that you do. And would you describe this as the genre of your journal journalism, sort of adventure journalism and adventure travel journalism, something like that?

00:23:33:26 - 00:24:00:07
Jayme Moye
Yeah. I mean, I sometimes just like loosely grouped into saying mountain sports and culture and that like travel, it's happening right in my own community. So there's like a wide scope for that. But it's yeah, if it's something that has to do with mountain sports and culture, it's usually something that I like to cover. And Kootenay Mountain Culture specifically is a really nice snapshot of that here in my hometown, in my home region.

00:24:00:07 - 00:24:20:11
Jayme Moye
And those the stories, I think I have three in the latest issue. I'm a senior writer with the magazine. Those stories really exemplify the type of writing I like to do. And, you know, all three of them are actually about people. If you break it down, right, like they're doing interesting or adventurous things, whether that's then, you know, for one group, one of them, it's culinary arts.

00:24:20:11 - 00:24:30:13
Jayme Moye
For another one, it's sailboat. For another one, it's backcountry ski touring. But it's ultimately about the people who are doing these interesting or quirky things. Yeah.

00:24:30:26 - 00:24:45:01
John Simmerman
And another place I end up seeing your your writing from time to time is in fact adventure journal Talk a little bit about this this particular one and these are beautiful by the way. I love I love it when they arrive here at the house here in Austin.

00:24:45:01 - 00:25:10:08
Jayme Moye
Oh, I know. Me too. Steve Casimiro does an amazing job with that magazine. And you know, these it's interesting and this is a tangent, but these are the types of magazines that are surviving, right? These now in adventure journals, Case. It covers adventure all over the world, but it's just beautifully produced, long form narrative writing stories that really move you like at a at a heart level, at a gut level and cute name, right?

00:25:10:08 - 00:25:28:06
Jayme Moye
And culture is like that, too, but just at a hyper local level. So with Adventure Journal, I tend to publish in there like some of my international stories and that cover. You chose this one of my all time favorites because it was for the story that took place in China in the all time Mountains, which is where that cover shot is from.

00:25:29:26 - 00:25:40:15
John Simmerman
Yeah, And here are some photos from this just kind of flipping through and it looks like we had a little skiing going on here in China. Here?

00:25:42:12 - 00:26:03:13
Jayme Moye
Yes. I was really lucky to be part of the first commercial ski tour in the Altai Mountains from the China side. And this is in a changing province and one of the guides in our group is a young Chinese man who was actually living in New Zealand at the time. But he came back to China for this trip and he is a paraglider and he likes to do it from skis.

00:26:03:26 - 00:26:25:22
Jayme Moye
So he went and did a paragliding descent from the top of the mountain and they looked back and filmed each of us coming down. So that's actually it was me. And that last one, the one that kind of cut over. Yeah. And the fresh powder on the other end. That was me coming down now. And the fun of experiencing other mountain cultures is, you know, jump into that.

00:26:25:22 - 00:26:44:18
Jayme Moye
Well, you've got to shut up right now. I mean, of ridiculous four hats and you know, and I don't I don't wear fur as a practice, but when it's part of the culture, you're sort of trying that on for a bit then and you're like, Bob, these are really warm and the temperature there is usually like -10 to 20 degrees Fahrenheit.

00:26:44:18 - 00:26:51:05
Jayme Moye
So we are skiing in some of the coldest conditions I've ever been in. And you suddenly understand, Oh, this is what fur was meant to be.

00:26:51:05 - 00:26:55:08
John Simmerman
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And here's a little fellow.

00:26:55:28 - 00:27:13:09
Jayme Moye
Yeah. I love seeing, like, what are the types of dogs that people have in this place? You know, we were in a village called Hemu. No, this is somebody's dog. He actually belonged to the owner of the sort of the cafe that we were all hanging out at that day, which you can kind of see in the background.

00:27:14:09 - 00:27:16:12
John Simmerman
Yeah, I love it. I love it.

00:27:17:12 - 00:27:20:09
Jayme Moye
That's the village we are in. Wow.

00:27:20:29 - 00:27:21:24
John Simmerman
Wow.

00:27:22:09 - 00:27:33:00
Jayme Moye
And this is a China driver. Chinese are the what plays they pull behind the horses foil, which is how they used to get around from village to village before roads were put into those places.

00:27:33:16 - 00:27:36:27
John Simmerman
Mm hmm.

00:27:36:27 - 00:28:00:26
Jayme Moye
We've got also, like, the the way skiing was traditionally done there as you go and you cut down a tree and his sheep it and you put horsehair on the bottom of skins which gives you that traction on the uphill but doesn't prevent you from going down on this downhill. They weren't really downhills in those skis. They're more for transportation to just kind of get up in these and do the hunting more or less.

00:28:01:07 - 00:28:01:15
Jayme Moye
Yeah.

00:28:02:04 - 00:28:05:21
John Simmerman
Yeah. Talk about active transportation.

00:28:05:21 - 00:28:32:17
Jayme Moye
Exactly. But so that story and it being a feature in that issue of Adventure Journal, which was published maybe two or three years ago. Yeah, definitely pre-pandemic I think right before the pandemic. But yeah and it what it was a mountain guide here in Nelson who kind of cued me into that. She said, you know, the longer I've been in this business, the more I realize it's about the people.

00:28:32:26 - 00:28:53:10
Jayme Moye
And she had become really open to experiencing other cultures of the world that were also mountain cultures. So we have a certain mountain culture here in the Kootenay region of British Columbia. But what are mountain cultures like in other parts of the world? And so she was the one who had organized that trip. And it was really fun to to look at things through that lens.

00:28:53:10 - 00:28:58:17
Jayme Moye
What's mountain culture like here? And that's really what I was exploring on that trip and in that article.

00:28:59:01 - 00:29:11:26
John Simmerman
Yeah, yeah. And then we have another more recent trip that you have recently done. You went to Slovenia.

00:29:11:26 - 00:29:32:21
Jayme Moye
I did. So the We Are Mountain Nation is set in Slovenia. That was a trip I did this summer. And that story appeared in the latest issue of Adventure Journal. There's a whole backstory to why exactly I was in Slovenia and I don't know how much you want me to tell you, but in a nutshell, I. I'm Slovenian and Oh, wow.

00:29:33:27 - 00:29:53:14
John Simmerman
Fantastic. And I told you that I almost showed up there in Slovenia for an international conference. The Velo City conference was actually being held there in June. And it turned out that if I had attended that you were also there in June.

00:29:54:12 - 00:30:00:07
Jayme Moye
Yes, that's correct. That would have been amazing to rendezvous in Slovenia.

00:30:00:07 - 00:30:12:21
John Simmerman
Now, I wouldn't have been in the mountains. I would have been in that little that particular city there where the conference was being held. But I certainly would have pinged you and said, by the way, hop on down.

00:30:12:21 - 00:30:40:03
Jayme Moye
Nice. Yeah. I grew up with some elements of Slovenian culture. So few people know this. But Cleveland, Ohio, has the largest settlement of Slovenians outside of Slovenia. Yeah, I know. That's so random. I'm like, why Cleveland, Ohio? But it was it all happened like in the very early 1900s. I'm talking even before World War One. It's just there was it was perceived there was more opportunity there.

00:30:40:15 - 00:31:12:12
Jayme Moye
Yeah. So this is the Pittsburgh Cleveland area is just working in the factories, more or less. People started coming and they didn't stop. And then I think World War One hit, you know, in like, what was it, 1913? And so people ended up maybe staying longer than they plan on staying. And so at one time, you had 50,000 Slovenian immigrants living in Cleveland, and that's where all four of my mom's grandparents came to Slovenia, you know, at different points in their teens.

00:31:12:19 - 00:31:39:09
Jayme Moye
They all met in the Cleveland area, got married, started having kids. So my grandparents on my mom's side are both first generation Americans born to Slovenians. Wow. But I am like my mom's generation came, you know, that was post-World War One. post-World War two. And by that point, like my mom's generation, they didn't have any contacts back with people still living in Slovenia.

00:31:39:09 - 00:32:04:06
Jayme Moye
And they didn't even speak the language anymore. So the way I grew up with it was more things that my grandmother would make during the holidays. Like I should make petites are fine. So basically my impression of Slovenia growing up is this is a really unhealthy country where people eat a lot of baked goods, a lot of fried dough, and oh, Slovenian sausage.

00:32:04:06 - 00:32:31:05
Jayme Moye
That was like a main staple. So I'm like sausage and really good, doughy, fried desserts with a lot of sugar on them. Yeah, maybe not really my place. And, you know, then I moved to Boulder, Colorado, right out of university and just kind of really lost touch with my ancestral heritage on my mom's side. And it wasn't until moving to British Columbia that I learned that Slovenia is a mountain nation.

00:32:31:05 - 00:32:32:29
Jayme Moye
I didn't even know Slovenia had mountains.

00:32:33:29 - 00:32:53:18
John Simmerman
Yeah, I mean, I was blown away by the photography in that issue. When it came, I was like, Oh, look at this. And plus, I was also able to see some of your posts on social media as well, the scenes that you were capturing and sharing. And and I think you were even saying at the time this complete away, this is amazing.

00:32:54:26 - 00:33:20:02
Jayme Moye
Yeah, I had no idea. I mean, most people don't even know where Slovenia is. I mean. Right. It's bordered by we're on the north, Italy on the northeast. You have the the sea right along there, the Dalmatian Coast that goes down into Croatia and then the eastern side borders Hungary. So it's kind of nestled right in there. And it's about the entire country is about the size of New Jersey.

00:33:20:02 - 00:33:43:26
Jayme Moye
You've got about 2 million people and it's part the Julian Alps run through there. So pretty much like the north and west parts of the country are the Julian Alps and people there are serious about their mountains like, though. There you go. That's a great map. Thank you. The so just. Yep. Perfect. And look like how little the coast is of Slovenia.

00:33:44:07 - 00:33:49:15
Jayme Moye
Yeah, it's all up by Italy. It's like surrounded by Italy on that part of the coast. But yeah.

00:33:50:02 - 00:33:53:09
John Simmerman
And they are the main city there. That's where the conference was.

00:33:54:01 - 00:34:21:29
Jayme Moye
Yeah. Louisiana. Yeah. Beautiful capital. There's like a castle on a hill, a river runs through it. It's. Yeah. All the things you love about Europe without some of the things that you don't, you know, like with overcrowding and we'll be on as a really clean city anyways. I like the mountains, though. There's a peak bear called Trig Love, and it's the national symbol of Slovenia.

00:34:22:07 - 00:34:42:14
Jayme Moye
It's on their flag, it's on their coat of arms, it's on their 50 cent coin. And when Slovenia got its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991, the then president said it was a duty of every Slovenian to climb true love at least once in their lifetime. And that's what the story delves into, Like what drives a country to climb a mountain?

00:34:42:14 - 00:35:05:09
Jayme Moye
What is it about Slovenians or about this mountain that it's such an important thing? And so that's what I went there to find out in the process. Of course, I climb trig, love myself. So it was just a really significant, significant year with me. And the fact that it was photographed, you know, while we were there by Liam Morgan, he is a really close family friend.

00:35:05:09 - 00:35:13:09
Jayme Moye
He's my daughter's boyfriend. My family was with me, you know, Jean-Francois Bull, two kids. So it's an incredible trip.

00:35:14:03 - 00:35:31:23
John Simmerman
And here's the cover to particular edition. So issue, are people able to purchase even like the back issues do that do they have those available if if folks who are tuning in and watching this and listening to this, if they want to get a copy of issue number 26.

00:35:32:24 - 00:35:52:05
Jayme Moye
Yeah, Adventure Journal sells all their back issues on their website. I will say though, they tend to sell out. It might be possible my family save over 100 cousins on the Slovenian side of my family back in the Cleveland area, may have bought them all out. They should get on the look.

00:35:52:05 - 00:36:16:27
John Simmerman
So Rush, don't Donald, get on over there. Check it out. So earlier you had alluded to and talked a little bit about the trees and the forests. And to talk a little bit about what you're passionate about in terms of of the trees and what's really, really unique about your area in terms of the type of forest.

00:36:18:04 - 00:36:39:13
Jayme Moye
Sure. I would love to you. Well, I think any time you move to a new place or even when you go visit a new place, one of the most fun things to do is notice. How are things in your natural outdoor environment different from back home? Right. And that starts for me anyways. Usually with the trees, you know what it's like to go to, say, Florida and see palm trees.

00:36:39:19 - 00:37:00:28
Jayme Moye
Wow. But one of the things I noticed is the trees in British Columbia are really different from the trees in Colorado. And so I wanted to learn more about that. And one of the first things I noticed is in the wintertime in Colorado, it's very windy, right? So we don't have those evergreen trees just caked in snow usually because the wind blows all that off.

00:37:00:28 - 00:37:29:21
Jayme Moye
But here they stick around. You've got really like the ultimate Christmas tree is here in British Columbia, just a big giant evergreen tree, just caked iced in snow, if you will. So I wanted to know more about the forests here and in the Kootenay region of British Columbia. We have what's called an inland temperate rain forest. And you may have heard the term temperate rainforest before, but in terms of coastal, temperate forests.

00:37:29:21 - 00:37:49:25
Jayme Moye
Right. So we see those like most of British Columbia, there's a lot of attention given to some of those big old growth trees. Recently. There was a lot of protests happening against the logging of old growth trees in areas like Berry Creek. So I was interested to find out, well, we actually have temperate rainforest here in interior B.C., too.

00:37:50:23 - 00:38:19:05
Jayme Moye
Inland, though, which is actually really rare. It doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. There were some pockets of it, like in Russia, for example, but not much at all. And it used to be a whole Arctic like 400 million acre of land just coming down from or looking across B.C. and kind of dipping into like Washington, Idaho, Montana, a little bit, too.

00:38:19:21 - 00:38:40:05
Jayme Moye
And what's so cool about these forests, why they're rainforests because at least they went all year, even in the summer. But unlike most rainforests, it's not because of rain, it's because of snow. That's almost like a better name for these forests would be snow forests. Think I said we get 400 inches of snow a year in British Columbia.

00:38:40:06 - 00:38:51:21
Jayme Moye
In Nelson, British Columbia. A little further north in Revelstoke, they hold the record for the most amount of snowfall in a single winter. You want it, You want to guess how many inches?

00:38:52:09 - 00:38:54:15
John Simmerman
Oh, gosh, I'm going to double that. Like 800.

00:38:55:03 - 00:39:29:14
Jayme Moye
Yeah, you're good. Yeah. 800 inches of snow. 80 feet of snow fell in Revelstoke one. Yeah. That's why we have these inland temperate rain forests. And what you get is just beautiful evergreen trees, western red cedars specifically, and hemlock. It's kind of those are like the anchors of this type of forest. And then you've got so many types of lichen, like those big long kind of neon green curtains that dangle from trees and the masses, of course.

00:39:29:14 - 00:39:50:06
Jayme Moye
And then at the sites which are like these entire world in of themselves, of just like different funguses and mosses like balls of them that just like hanging from the tree. So and then all the ferns along the forest floor, they're just incredible places. This is where like mountain caribou lives, you know, really special.

00:39:50:20 - 00:39:56:18
John Simmerman
Yeah. Very cool. And this is an article that you wrote here about that. And then.

00:39:57:19 - 00:40:27:20
Jayme Moye
Oh, yeah, they inspired me to write about them for sure. And the photo. You're right. Now, that's the first time I was in a coastal temperate rainforest in British Columbia. So these are some of those massive old growth giant. And I was just like, I couldn't believe these trees existed and I couldn't believe they're being logged. I thought that old growth trees like this were protected in British Columbia, and they are to a certain extent, if they reach a certain size.

00:40:28:14 - 00:40:54:09
Jayme Moye
But, you know, like the ones you're looking at now wouldn't in this picture wouldn't have been protected just based on size alone, if you can believe that. So the bar is really high for one that wouldn't be logged. And a lot of times it's up to kind of citizen protests or citizen science movement to go out and take measurements of trees, for example, and the kind of report backs of forestry industry.

00:40:54:09 - 00:41:18:20
Jayme Moye
I think the picture you're showing right now is a clear cut, which is just, you know, it's devastating. You see pictures like this. So, yeah, I definitely wanted to write about this just to call attention to the fact that old growth trees are still being logged in British Columbia. I wrote about that quite extensively for outside magazine last year and some of the protests going on at Cherry Creek, for example.

00:41:18:20 - 00:41:41:05
Jayme Moye
And then just here in the interior British Columbia, that we have this thing called an inland temperate rainforest. And what that means and why they're special and what kind of life exists in them and why we want to make sure we don't cut them all down. I'm actually I went out to for a very creek. I think you're showing some of those pictures now, which is where the heart of some of the old growth logging protests were happening.

00:41:41:05 - 00:41:58:19
Jayme Moye
And that was on Vancouver Island off the west coast of British Columbia. And I went and embedded in some of those protest camps for a bit just to find out what's what's going on out here. Of course, I brought a posse and John Francois, because he wanted to be part of it, too.

00:41:59:00 - 00:42:02:21
John Simmerman
Of course. Of course.

00:42:04:05 - 00:42:05:03
Jayme Moye
And my daughter.

00:42:05:07 - 00:42:09:20
John Simmerman
Out a little more puzey. I mean, seriously, when we.

00:42:10:21 - 00:42:13:00
Jayme Moye
All had dogs up there with them also in my.

00:42:13:05 - 00:42:33:07
John Simmerman
Window or posy, I love this little clip that you sent. It's like, Yeah, I'll just kind of follow along. Here we go. Like, Yeah, the superstar. What? I'm going to get to a little video here of Pozzi because this is this is classic.

00:42:34:19 - 00:42:37:25
Jayme Moye
In my front yard. Look at that.

00:42:38:26 - 00:42:52:09
John Simmerman
Oh, this is amazing. I love it. So clearly, this dog loves this.

00:42:52:09 - 00:43:15:16
Jayme Moye
Snow does I mean, she's my first little dog. I've had other dogs in my life, but they've generally been yellow Labrador Retrievers and Pozzi came about and this is a pandemic thing. But she happened. And I just I didn't know how I didn't treat her like a toy dog. I've never had toy dogs, and it's treated her like a big dog.

00:43:15:16 - 00:43:34:18
Jayme Moye
So I took her trail running. I took her in the snow. I took her skiing, I took her sailing. I and because she was so small, I felt I could put her on the end of my skin up board. I could take her stand up, paddle boarding and and just she doesn't know how small she is. And one thing I learned, though, about the snow, this is interesting.

00:43:34:24 - 00:43:56:13
Jayme Moye
Well, maybe fast and loose with the term Interesting. I think it's interesting. Most of these toy breed dogs, the reason why they have to get groomed is because their fur just keeps growing. It's not because people who own little dogs are insane and like to take their dogs to little dogs salons to get groomed, which was my kind of judgy perception prior to owning a dog.

00:43:56:21 - 00:44:02:16
Jayme Moye
So their hair will literally keep growing until it just it's a giant. It won't stop. They'll they'll be a moth and.

00:44:03:10 - 00:44:04:10
John Simmerman
Turn into a wookie.

00:44:05:09 - 00:44:32:03
Jayme Moye
Exactly. So you have to actually trim their hair. So I do it myself. I trim busy about once every three months or so. But another quality of this hair is it is like more like human hair than what you think of of dog fur. So it keeps growing and it's not really as insulating. So when you see little dogs dressed in little sweaters, again, not because little dog owners are crazy and like to dress up their dogs, although, well, you could argue that is actually the case.

00:44:32:03 - 00:44:51:14
Jayme Moye
But it it's a functional reason to they any time though cold that you would want to go out and put a two on your head or a nightcap, as you say in the U.S., a beanie you most likely would want to put your little dog in a sweater. They appreciate just that added warmth. So yeah, So she does wear sweaters quite a bit these days.

00:44:51:24 - 00:44:52:15
John Simmerman
Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:53:07 - 00:44:56:13
Jayme Moye
And then do you get a kick of putting her in sweaters?

00:44:57:09 - 00:45:06:19
John Simmerman
So one month ago you were here. You were at the Great Barrier Reef. What on earth were you doing there?

00:45:07:08 - 00:45:24:18
Jayme Moye
Oh, my gosh. Well, you know, with me, it's. It's not about where I'm going. It's so much as if there's a story that drives me to go somewhere. And there was such a cool story coming out of the Great Barrier Reef that I had to get there to tell the story. So I thought the Great Barrier Reef was dead.

00:45:24:25 - 00:45:46:12
Jayme Moye
I mean, that's what you see in the news here in North America. Like it's all bleached out, right? It's like a white skeleton. Turns out the Great Barrier Reef is huge. It's like 1200 miles long. And there's parts of it that have definitely been damaged by global temperatures, rising by ocean acidification, by the impacts of, climate change, basically.

00:45:46:28 - 00:46:15:14
Jayme Moye
But there's a lot of areas of the Great Barrier Reef that are that are doing just fine. And even better, there's teams of scientists, marine biologists out there working to say, okay, how can we leverage areas of the reef that are healthy and doing fine and use them to help areas of the reef that have been damaged and could use a little help in regenerating because coral, it's actually really resilient and given the right circumstances, it can completely flourish.

00:46:15:14 - 00:46:41:04
Jayme Moye
And so there is a team of scientists out there for an annual event known as the Reef Spawn, which I like to think of as the greatest reproduction show on earth. All of those corals just like open up and release their eggs and their little stacks of sperm up into the water and all floats up. It's like being in an underwater snowstorm.

00:46:41:23 - 00:47:10:18
Jayme Moye
It all looks up, it all floats up to the surface where it finds, you know, other sperms or eggs from a similar, you know, the same species of coral. And it fertilizes it kind of hangs out there on the surface of the water for a couple of days. It's orange, it's very visible, and then it kind of grows and then it settles back down, falls to the ocean floor and new coral is born.

00:47:11:00 - 00:47:41:03
Jayme Moye
And so the idea of what do we harness some of this coral spawn, you know, get it into holding tanks, let it do its germination. It's the wrong word thing, fertilization thing, because corals actually not a plant, it's an animal. And then can we move it to reefs that are really in need of recovery, unreleased it there to propagate the ocean for such a cool project.

00:47:41:03 - 00:48:09:18
Jayme Moye
It's being done in conjunction with one of the universities. It's another tourism outfitter group there who are really vested in keeping that coral healthy. And also the First Nations or Australian Aboriginal communities there. Those folks are known as sea Rangers and so they're the ones who kind of in charge of like the overall care of these ecosystems, just like Aboriginal Australians have been doing since time immemorial.

00:48:10:08 - 00:48:24:21
Jayme Moye
So it's a it was a great project. I got to embed with this group out on a pontoon boat that had been turned into a floating laboratory like 60 miles off the coast of Cairns, which is a town in Queensland, and basically watched them do their work.

00:48:25:06 - 00:48:35:11
John Simmerman
It was and here's and here's the little coral nursery right here. They this is going to be an upcoming article that you're going to publish or is this already been published?

00:48:35:25 - 00:48:38:06
Jayme Moye
This is going to be a story for Outside magazine.

00:48:39:13 - 00:48:54:19
John Simmerman
Fantastic. Fantastic. And so I guess this kind of you mentioned it earlier with with Pozzi, you mentioned that sometimes she goes sailing with you guys in the summertime. You get out on a boat.

00:48:54:19 - 00:49:15:15
Jayme Moye
Yeah, it's a sailing when we move to Nelson because we're on a very large lake and there is a really vibrant sailing community here. And we click quickly learn that sailing in conditions where there's a lot of mountains is actually really challenging because the way the wind plays off the mountains, it's actually almost easier to sail on the ocean.

00:49:15:27 - 00:49:33:21
Jayme Moye
I mean, you're also having to factor in tides and other things in the ocean, but mountain lakes are a really good training ground for sailing. And so once we started feeling more comfortable there, I say we because my husband also got really into it. He in fact, got even more into it than me, like he started building own sailboat.

00:49:33:21 - 00:49:44:25
Jayme Moye
He's always sailing crazy. So anyways, we started trying it out on the coast in the ocean. And so and Pozzi, of course, comes everywhere with us. So she is a sailing dog.

00:49:45:19 - 00:49:55:16
John Simmerman
Yeah. Yeah. I have to pop on over just some more photos from your trip down under. So this is in Tasmania. What were you doing down there?

00:49:56:12 - 00:50:28:09
Jayme Moye
Oh, my gosh, Tasmania, What a place. So Tasmania is one of the states in Australia. It's a, it's an island state. So it's basically an island state off of an island country. And something that's really part of the Tassie culture is just this notion of bushwalking. And I mean I think bushwalking is popular in all of Australia, but especially Tasmania, because more than 50% of that island is covered in protected land, whether it's a national park or a protected zone.

00:50:28:09 - 00:51:17:18
Jayme Moye
And so Tasmanians really like to take these areas in by foot and usually you'll have eco lodges or kind of like temporary glamping sites set up specifically for the purpose of bushwalking. So I went out there on, I would say it's probably Tasmania's most popular bushwalk. It's called the Bay of Fires. It's in a national park and you basically walk kind of from one end of that Crescent Bay to the other and it's got to be one of the most visually spectacular places on the planet because you've got this white sand beach, turquoise blue water and these crazy rocks everywhere that are covered in bright orange lichen, just like nothing you've ever seen.

00:51:18:00 - 00:51:53:09
Jayme Moye
So I was drawn to it just for the esthetics alone, but also because I learned they're doing some really cool citizen science there. So Australia, including Tasmania, has really been hit hard by bushfires recently and those fires are stronger, bigger, more frequent because of climate change. And so it's happening as it's decimating landscapes. And so one of the things that became really important is this idea of seed banking, which started in the UK at the turn of the millennium.

00:51:53:09 - 00:52:21:20
Jayme Moye
It became a thing like as added insurance against climate change. Let's collect the seeds of all of the different fauna or excuse me, flora that each country has and store them. So the Tasmanian Royal, the Royal Tasmanian Botanical Society has a seed bank and the problem is collecting these seeds in places that are really remote or in the Alpine is really difficult.

00:52:21:20 - 00:52:47:15
Jayme Moye
Do you send a team of botanists in there by helicopter, you know, but you've got these bushwalking tours going on where you've got people already out there with naturalist guides, so how about you just pair one botanist and make that group already out there, your team of citizen scientists to do the seed harvesting. Right. And again, you need hundreds of thousands of seeds for a successful seed banking harvest.

00:52:47:28 - 00:53:03:11
Jayme Moye
And so the outfitter that I was out there with, the Tasmanian walking company was doing just that, and I thought that was such an awesome idea. I'm like, I have to write about this. And so that's going to be a story in the April issue of Conde Nast Traveler magazine.

00:53:05:09 - 00:53:10:05
John Simmerman
That is so freaking cool. Well.

00:53:10:15 - 00:53:14:11
Jayme Moye
And again, it's culture, it's active town culture. It's like.

00:53:14:25 - 00:53:15:20
John Simmerman
Absolutely.

00:53:16:06 - 00:53:26:12
Jayme Moye
Do in Tasmania. They go on bush walks. Well, how can we use that to help the environment because this is also a culture that's being plagued with bushfires. So yeah.

00:53:26:13 - 00:53:59:12
John Simmerman
Yeah. And if there was ever any doubt so so your web page is, is right here. And yeah, I mean it's it's pretty, pretty obvious when you navigate to your website and you can see the some of the scrolling stuff that goes through. But when we click on to the articles and it sort of, it loads up all of the different stuff that you have written about over the years and gosh, even over the many years that I've known you and kind of followed your work, it's just it's so amazing.

00:53:59:12 - 00:54:12:01
John Simmerman
You know, again, Condé Nast Traveler, the Toronto Star name, it just goes on and on and on outside Canadian. I love it. So much fun.

00:54:13:17 - 00:54:14:24
Jayme Moye
Thank you so much.

00:54:15:21 - 00:54:45:04
John Simmerman
It's it's it's such an honor to reconnect with you and chat with you about these things. It very much is in a culture of activity and the stories that you are writing oftentimes have very, very meaningful narratives and storylines in them. And you write about things that you're passionate about and that you care about. And it's such an honor to have you here on the Active Towns podcast.

00:54:45:05 - 00:54:46:06
John Simmerman
Thank you so much, Jamie.

00:54:47:17 - 00:54:56:22
Jayme Moye
Thank you, John. It's really great to be here and it's really fun talking about some of these things with someone so interested and enthusiastic about it. Thank you for that.

00:54:57:18 - 00:55:18:29
John Simmerman
Thank you all so much for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed this episode with Jamie Moyer, and if you did, please give it a thumbs up or leave a comment down below and share it with a friend. And if you haven't done so already, be honored to have you subscribe to the channel. Just hit that subscription button down below and ring the notifications bell for your notification preferences and he will be back next week with another episode.

00:55:18:29 - 00:55:44:09
John Simmerman
So until then, this is John signing off by wishing you much activity, health and happiness. Cheers. And again sending a huge thank you to all my active towns Ambassadors supporting the channel on Patron buy me a coffee YouTube super thanks as well as making contribute to the nonprofit and purchasing things from the active towns store, every little bit adds up and it's much appreciated.

00:55:44:21 - 00:55:52:19
John Simmerman
Thank you all so much.